Bagman, Severus, and Karkaroff

[lavivi]

I'm nearing the end of the fourth book now as I re-read it, and I've come across something else. It's the graveyard scene - the Death Eaters have arrived, Voldemort's making his speech to them. Now he's walking around slowly, to each one. Some he speaks to, some he does not.

He had reached the largest gap of all, and he stood surveying it with his blank, red eyes, as though he could see people standing there.
"And here we have six missing Death Eaters . . . three dead in my service. One, too cowardly to return ... he will pay. One, who I believe has left me forever ... he will be killed, of course . . . and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who has already reentered my service."
The Death Eaters stirred, and Harry saw their eyes dart sideways at one another through their masks.
"He is at Hogwarts, that faithful servant, and it was through his efforts that our young friend arrived here tonight. . . . (pg. 651-52, US ed.)

I think that most have assumed now that the One Too Cowardly to Return is Karkaroff, and the one who Voldemort believes Has Left Forever is Snape. The Faithful Servant is, of course, proved to be Barty Crouch Jr.

But I wonder, now - what about Ludo Bagman? I fully believe now that he's a Death Eater - it's something Ms. Rowling is extremely likely to do, and there's definitely hints. At the least, he may be a sort of unofficial Death Eater, not in the inner circle - without a brand.

But still, I wonder - what if Bagman is the One Who Has Left Forever? He was commentating back at Hogwarts at the time of the Third Task. But then where’s Snape? We could suggest he was one of those Voldemort passed without a word, except for the ending of the hospital scene later on, when Dumbledore gives him the Mysterious Instruction, which I think we can all safely assume now is a request to go back to Voldemort.

So if Snape is the one Voldemort is referring to, the One Who Has Left Forever - perhaps Bagman was there in the graveyard after all. Not much to say once the champions went into the maze - perhaps he was able to get away when the call came. Which is very intriguing - to picture Bagman as one of the hooded Death Eaters in that circle that night, one of those that laughed and pushed Harry away...

Or alternatively - later on, Fred and George say that right after the Third Task, Bagman ran for it (reason given as because he lost his bet with the goblins) (pg. 732, US ed.). Now where did he go? Are the goblins in league with Voldemort? But it says in the fifth book that they were unlikely to join him – they had losses of their own to Voldemort (pg. 85, US ed.). So perhaps Bagman went back to Voldemort to escape the goblins’ vengeance. That seems pretty darn likely to me.

Edited to revise and add more thoughts.

Comments

[bloodrebel333.livejournal.com]

I have to say, that's an interesting theory. I think I'll reread it *and* the Dutch version myself, it always comes in handy when you have more versions of one story. Something might come out.

Though I'm not sure if I believe Bagman's a DE.

[lionessgoddess.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I thought about that too a while back. That the one that left him forever was Snape.

I don't think Bagman is a Death Eater, even an inform one. I don't particularly like him and that gives him too much credit.

Anything's possible with Rowling. C'mon, she made Harry PMS throughout the entire fifth book, but you know, that's just teen angst.

<3 Lora

[lionessgoddess.livejournal.com]

Hem, hem that "inform" is supposed to be "informal". Stupid bloody cold fingers.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_lavinia_/]

Well, Lora, how many times have we been surprised by a character's depth? All of that we see of Bagman could be just a facade. Personally, I don't think he's all ra-ra like Bellatrix, but perhaps he joined first out of fear, like some, or he was pressured into helping Rookwood, as mentioned at his trial.

[lionessgoddess.livejournal.com]

::holds hands up in surrender::

You've got a fair point there. But as Bagman's character portray's, as a very weak-willed individual with his gambling, I can see him as sort of like Sirius' brother, only not as evil. He could have been seduced by the easiness of it all, but he's not particularly evil. Just weak. I don't think though that he could have gotten away with sneaking away from the Triwizard Tournement while two champion were missing though. Doesn't seem likely.

There's always that she could surprise us. Who knows?

[empressov.livejournal.com]

Perhaps he joined and played both sides (claiming Imperius and that he thought he was helping the Good Side and not the bad) to 'hedge his bets' so to speak so as to win no matter which side was in power?

He's 'Bagman' which, IMO, has always referred to his gambling tendencies and I think it also refers to him having a dicey side that causes him to play both sides. I do not think he's a cut and dried Death Eater nor is he a straight out good guy. And it's also possible I think that he could have fled at the last task not to flee the Goblins but to return to Voldemort either to attend the rebirthing or to show up there after Harry had left. He may have been there all along. Or--maybe Crouch Jr was a pawn all along and intended to be sacrificed (meaning Voldemort knew DD would figure out Moody had done he Cup and was not Moody and responsible for Harry's kidnapping and would then likely be captured by Dumbledore) and the real servant at Hogwarts was Bagman who we do happen to know was not only one who kept trying to help Harry win but had conveniently glossed over Bertha Jorkin's disappearance.


There's definite food for thought in adding him into the mix of the three servants named by Voldemort.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_lavinia_/]

Bagman the Faithful Servant - now that is a new idea!

But I don't think there's much that holds it up, though. Voldemort makes more reference to the Faithful Servant in his speech, and we know Voldemort and Crouch Jr. had had contact back in the summer, when the Imperius was switched onto his father. It was then that the plan was laid out for Crouch Jr. to impersonate Moody.

Although Bagman was helping Harry win, too.

[soharavsalienta.livejournal.com]

have...opinion....and...will..reply...later...after...claaaaassss....

[kate-tur.livejournal.com]

Hey! I already read this!

I had thought I had never seen any of your entries. Forget about HP fiction bookmarks, I friended you because you belong to HP fandom!

*g*

[tears-of-nienna.livejournal.com]

You have a really good point there...I'd forgotten about the Pensieve scene. (I really have to reread that book.) It meshes with his quick departure after the Third Task, and it would give Bagman an opportunity to be slashed a bit more character depth, which I always kind of wanted. *grin*

[(Anonymous)]

My favorite theory is that Bagman is the one who has left forever and his debt to the gobins was for the money that Lucius Malfoy was throwing around all book. pharinbulis came up with the theory I think.